3 Commando Brigade

Using NATO rounds

This is an aide memoire for Serjames, as I promised to remind him.

In yesterday's operation, we had the situation where (AFAIK) most people were running out of ammo. The situation was made more frustrating by the fact that we were rolling around in vics brimming with spare rounds. Unfortunately, the M4 magazines are not compatible with the L85 etc. And, for me, switching to M4s that were in the vehicles felt a bit gamey - not sure what the MOD would say about a whole troop "discarding" their weapons.

I guess, we need to either "force" the magazines to be compatible or make the repack also use compatible ammo from non compatible magazines. Annoyingly, I think, Arma automatically drops empty mags - realistic or not? So, only partial mags would be repacked (as in, you couldn't pack a full M4 mag into an empty L85 mag). This would mean much repacking, but there are swings and there are roundabouts.

TANX
Andrew

You can use vanilla UGL rounds in our UGL. Likewise, you can use the vanilla 5.56mm stanags in our weapons.

Have you actually tested it in the arsenal? It could be your script. When we were testing our flares for brightness and duration (before BIS changed the lighting system for Apex and broke it all), we test fired lots of vanilla and 3cb flares in game with our L85 UGL to compare them.

I mean, not to get technical about it, but British 5.56x45 isn't the same as NATO\US SI 5.56. We need "better" rounds to cycle our our SA80's, as using say the Yank M193 ball to our L2A2 Ball. Otherwise, the pressure from the NATO\US rounds won't have enough gas pressure to make the gas parts of the SA80 function correctly, and the bolt won't be cycled correctly, so you'll have a lot more stoppages than often.

However, you can use Vanilla 5.56 on our 5.56 calibre weapons. I've been using them to 3CB's magazines due to the fact that they're a lot lighter and with my arsenal loadout; I can carry 15 Vanilla magazines on my webbing and only 12 3CB. Which is odd, because technically speaking again, our polymer magazines should be a lot lighter and better ergonomic than the steel STANAGs.

It's not that odd. BIS don't use real world weights for a lot of their gear (think running around with a .50cal weapon in your backpack). We do where we can, hence why ours are heavier.

Sanders highlights the problem, we face.

We can make our weapons take RHS ammo, plus others.  The issue is that the configs for the ammo/mags are all slightly different.  So players will then exploit the situation and take the most favourable (but less realistic) version.  This includes all properties including weight, damage, etc.  We have tried to balance ours across the entire range, and they're largely comparable with RHS.  But other mod makers and BIS have different objectives.

I take your point Massey.  For dedicated missions, the designer takes care to ensure ammo types are appropriate.  With Zeus missions, especially mid-week, there is not the time.  So you end up with situations like last night.  

RHS comparability is something we'll look at.

SS109, M855 and our L2A2 rounds are all the same spec.

It's only really blanks and low pressure rounds (such as frangible and simunition) that cause problems cycling L85

Is that the ammo that was kicking about in the green H83's? With the s**t plastic clips? 

http://www.warstuff.com/uploaded/2010-7 ... itaria.JPG


it was that plastic stripper clip they came on, where a bit s**t when using with a apeed loader compared to the usual metal ones.   Although I know it wasn't ammuntion made at RG they where stamep with somthing different but stil L designated rounds. 



I cant for the life on me find a proper picture of the H83 but ill keep trying.