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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:40 pm     Super secret spam barrier
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If danger close is called, does responsibility for casualties not fall on the person who called it in?


Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:46 pm     Super secret spam barrier
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The call has to be first cleared with the commander of the unit that is in the kill zone (in this case 1-2C).  They have to approve the attack and ultimately take responsibility.

So that's a break in protocol between the FAC and 1-2C. 


Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:07 pm     Super secret spam barrier
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Okay I think I will stand down and accept some blame :D 

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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:08 pm     Super secret spam barrier
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I ain't trying to shift blame, I should have spotted the map marker, and I should have possibly flown lower to do a uniform check, and I missed this alleged friendly grid.

I'm just saying you aren't blameless :P


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FAC/JTAC always buys the bomb, so whatever happens it's your fault Jetrise :P


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I wasn't there, but if Jetrise was as usual using a set format for the CAS call, it's probably a case of that format not being fully understood by all parties. This is why I've been using the same format for mortar calls for 1+ year now - no-one can ever claim that they thought one part meant something else.

Is it possible that due to misunderstanding of what part of the call meant what, Aeobrix thought that the friendly grid was the target grid?


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I wasn't there, but if Jetrise was as usual using a set format for the CAS call, it's probably a case of that format not being fully understood by all parties. This is why I've been using the same format for mortar calls for 1+ year now - no-one can ever claim that they thought one part meant something else.

Is it possible that due to misunderstanding of what part of the call meant what, Aeobrix thought that the friendly grid was the target grid?


We are currently in the process of standardising the CAS request format, some what more in line with what the British Army uses, once this has been completed, it will be easier to roll out the order of things to the other training programs etc to allow a better understanding throughout our player base.


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Eotech wrote:
Snoman wrote:
I wasn't there, but if Jetrise was as usual using a set format for the CAS call, it's probably a case of that format not being fully understood by all parties. This is why I've been using the same format for mortar calls for 1+ year now - no-one can ever claim that they thought one part meant something else.

Is it possible that due to misunderstanding of what part of the call meant what, Aeobrix thought that the friendly grid was the target grid?


We are currently in the process of standardising the CAS request format, some what more in line with what the British Army uses, once this has been completed, it will be easier to roll out the order of things to the other training programs etc to allow a better understanding throughout our player base.

Exactly. That's why I brought it up. There's confusion out there, because that hasn't been done yet.

Not pointing fingers, just trying to take the pressure off all involved, because there are some systemic reasons why this may have happened ;)


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Mistakes also happen. Nothing that involves humans is fail proof. 

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Mistakes also happen. Nothing that involves humans is fail proof. 

True. f**k you Jetrise.

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