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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:41 pm     Super secret spam barrier
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To be fair, many of Putin's statements seem fairly level headed so far. 

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“Today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations ... Instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours.”

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Do they want to make Nato serve ISIS? I understand that every state has its own regional interests and we’ve always respected that, but we will never allow the kind of crime that happened to today to take place. And of course we hope that the international community will find the strength to come together and fight against the common evil.

To add to what Cud and Klawc said, I wouldn't be surprised if Russia steps up their targeted bombing of oil convoys heading towards Turkey and any IS controlled refineries in response to this. It is indeed interesting to see two clearly shady countries trade barbs though.  


Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:44 pm     Super secret spam barrier
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Putin's statement:
"This event is beyond the normal framework of fighting against terrorism. Of course our military is doing heroic work against terrorism... But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way. Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey."
"Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey. This is obvious. They are fighting terrorists in the northern areas around Latakia, where militants are located, mainly people who originated in Russia, and they were pursuing their direct duty, to make sure these people do not return to Russia. These are people who are clearly international terrorists."
"Taking into account that we signed an agreement on deconflicting with the US, and as we know Turkey was among the ones that has joined the US coalition. Since Isis has such huge resources of hundreds of millions and billions of dollars coming from illicit oil sales, and they are protected by the armed forces of other states, then it’s clear why they are so brazen, why they are killing people, why they are carrying out terrorist attacks throughout the world including in the heart of Europe."
"We will analyse everything, and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as a friendly state. I don’t know who was interested in what happened today, certainly not us. And instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours."
"Do they want to make Nato serve ISIS? I understand that every state has its own regional interests and we’ve always respected that, but we will never allow the kind of crime that happened to today to take place. And of course we hope that the international community will find the strength to come together and fight against the common evil."

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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:48 pm     Super secret spam barrier
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Breaking FSA shot a Russian SAR chopper with TOW



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And here is a link of the SU-24 pilots being verified *apparently*  

Christ that sucks. So are both Pilots dead or just one??



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Oh, is it? Sorry about that then grabbed it from another discussion and looked at the upload date. Nevertheless it's the same outcome.

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Looks like both sides are in the wrong.
Doesn't that just nicely summarize the entire Syrian mess? A situation where literally every party that's still involved is in some way being a d*ck about things. The Syrian government is a dictatorship with an interesting take on human rights issues, ISIS are intentionally cruel and evil and most of the various other groups have been fighting for so long that the only people that are still left aren't exactly saints either. Add to that the various first world nations that drop ordnance on whoever side they happen to like least, all pretending that they're fighting for the greater good while at the same time only springing to action when their strategic interests are threatened.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists

again war crime from "moderate" or "good" rebels

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The second pilot of a Russian fighter jet shot down by Turkish forces near the Syrian border has been found alive by the Syrian army, a Russian ambassador said. 

The pilot “was picked up by the Syrian army”, Russia's ambassador to France, Alexander Orlov, told Europe 1 radio. “[He] managed to escape and according to the latest information we have, he was picked up by the Syrian army and will be taken to the Russian airbase,”  Mr Orlov said.

Glad to hear one survived. 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34917485


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The CSAR chopper was engaged with a US made TOW. I'm sure that will go down well...

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LessThanDave wrote:
The CSAR chopper was engaged with a US made TOW. I'm sure that will go down well...

Well the jet was initially shot down by an F16 :P.


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Arka wrote:
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The CSAR chopper was engaged with a US made TOW. I'm sure that will go down well...

Well the jet was initially shot down by an F16 :P.


True, but at least that was operated by a sovereign state rather than a rebel wearing cargo pants and a tshirt.

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