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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:57 pm     Super secret spam barrier
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Sanders.  We're not experts at camo patterns,  so the names and patterns all come from sources on the web or info from serving / ex-serving contacts.  

I'm willing to admit we have it wrong, but only if I see actual evidence to support the claim ie named photos etc.

It's a huge change and one I'll only agree to if I can be convinced by irrefutable evident.


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I really don't care either way. How it is currently labelled was based on comments from people better in the know than I was when we originally began making the older camouflages. It was a group decision. We even ditched doing the DPM-68 as the camouflage sections out there weren't of a sufficient quality to expand into a uniform texture. The original swatch I used for CS95 DPM was entitled CS95 DPM, and there are other mods out there that use the same pattern and call it CS95 DPM as well.

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=29996

It is possible that both it and the greener woodland DPM are both swatches of the same pattern, just with slightly different colourings. As Robbie says, there are about 15 different variants of DPM patterns of different ages, styles and manufacturers.

I was using these as a reference images of one sort of pre-MTP camouflage used by the Royal Marines:

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Which is obviously different from the old DPM-68 and DPM 96 pattern:

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We also haven't done the tropical DPM either:

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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:32 pm     Super secret spam barrier
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Yeah, no worries! I'm going off of experience from harrogate and catterick 2013-14 and previous experiences wearing CS95 DPM but that was a while ago Image

I was only pointing it out because when I, and everyone else I was with, was wearing the CS95 DPM pattern and had never seen the other pattern around. So a common sight was the pattern in these images:

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Everyone and their mothers labelled the uniform as the bog standard CS95 DPM's, and again, I had never seen this colour DPM pattern:
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before so I just thought it was an error\typo which could have been easily fixed but wasn't noticed by the team.

Genuinely had no idea that it'd be a massive change, only thinking it could just be renamed but then again I'm no scripter\modder so I can't say. Just that, in my eyes and opinion, I think that the DPM-95 pattern named as "DPM" should be renamed as CS-95 DPM or DPM-95 because I think that colour pallet and pattern is the actual DPM-95 pattern and do consider it to be the "official" DPM pattern used by the army and other groups. I've got my old DPM kit from harrogate somewhere in the house if you want a proper look\evidence on it !Image I do think that if you ask a lot of other current serving\ex-serving members they'd agree with me. And I am putting all my army knowledge and experience behind to put more weight to my side

Edit: Will be on TS if anyone wants to drag me in somewhere to have a discussion about this rather than clogging up the thread


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Is there any chance Sanders that your DPM-95 kit has a label in it which could confirm it's type? If so, some photo's would be great.


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CS95 DPM Smock, Combat Jacket and Trousers

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That one lad from Essex.


Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:30 am     Super secret spam barrier
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Sanders wrote:
Also something off the topic of helmets, I was rewatching SJ's new uniform modding stream and noticed that the names of the two DPM patterns are incorrect and need to be switched out. The "DPM" should be CS95 DPM, and the "CS95 DPM" with the browner tint should be renamed to "DPM-68"

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This is DPM-68 which was named "CS95 DPM" in SJ's modding stream

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And this is CS-95 DPM or DPM-95 which was named "DPM" in the modding stream. Just a quick change of words and a slight thing I noticed!

In regards to DPM material its quite tricky as material colour could change depending on who made it and when even if it was meant to be from the same DPM type. In regards to Pattern 68 all the jackets had flat pockets and this style was used during the Falklands era replaced in 1984. 

Below are two images which are both Pattern 68 but note how different they look.

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In regards to your second picture the guy on the right on the SF kit looks to be wearing a windproof smock which was also a different pattern, and there were slight variations for the arctic parka, para smock and sniper smock depending on who made it and when. Bellows pockets on standard Jackets didn't come in until Pattern 1984 and before then they were all flat pockets.

In regards to the naming as Robbie and Evrik said we went for the name that fit the camo the best after looking through reference images and from people's first hand experience. I am sure that when we do tropical at some point, people may point out that its not the tropical that they used when in fact "Tropical" has been in issue since the 1970's so you can imagine how many variations of that there are.

Just to confuse things further from the early 90's people started buying and wearing aftermarket dpm jackets which some had the same style as an issue jacket, but again the dpm was slightly different.

I hope this clears up the dpm / modding minefield.


Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:33 pm     Super secret spam barrier
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Jdownward wrote:
Just an idea ......

if you use some weapons in the RHS pack IE the block 2's you can choose between a vertical grip VFG or a pod grip.

any chance in this being applied to our L85s so people can be given a full RIS L85 and choose if they want a grip on the weapon or not.

We can't use other peoples assets in our mod without permission.

We have quite a few variants of L85 already, with and without foregrips and angle grips.


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Additionally its not possible in arma to have a grip or not as the hand animations won't work.  They are assigned on a weapon by weapon basis.


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whilst we are on the case of uniforms can we get the tropic gear...also why dont we have ubacs?

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Why don't we have UBACs? Because they smell of stale sweat within 3 mins of putting one on.

Worse than the old norgies.


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